Our guest is john simmer, the cofounder and c o of lift. And he's going to talk to us all about their decision and and why. O alex: My thoughts on toyota and woven planet as is that it's buried there very clearly. I'm taking a very long term approach, which is a very toyoti thing. But before moving on to our guest, i'd like to ramble briefly and serch a point that supports my point of view. Ok, well, you never do that, so it's such unusual activity for you, so go ahead. Let's talk to our guest.

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