Our guest is john simmer, the cofounder and c o of lift. And he's going to talk to us all about their decision and and why. O alex: My thoughts on toyota and woven planet as is that it's buried there very clearly. I'm taking a very long term approach, which is a very toyoti thing. But before moving on to our guest, i'd like to ramble briefly and serch a point that supports my point of view. Ok, well, you never do that, so it's such unusual activity for you, so go ahead. Let's talk to our guest.
By selling its "Level 5" AV development operations to Toyota's Woven Planet Holdings, Lyft has followed its ride-hailing rival Uber out of the AV development business. Founder John Zimmer joins the show to explain the move and what it means for Lyft's evolving relationship with self-driving vehicles.