What can the rise and fall of great civilizations teach us about our current moment? Nicolai Tangen explores this timely question with Johan Norberg, renowned author of "Peak Human: What We Can Learn from the Rise and Fall of Golden Ages." Together, they examine the patterns behind history's greatest golden ages—from ancient Athens to the modern Anglosphere—and discuss whether we're witnessing the end of our own. The conversation covers the vital role of openness in driving innovation, why immigration has been crucial to every thriving civilization, the dangers of retreating from globalization, and how "strategic tolerance" can make nations stronger. Johan shares his philosophy on the power of changing one's mind and why sharing ideas openly leads to greater success. As author of multiple influential books on openness and global progress, Johan brings unique insights to understanding our interconnected world.

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The production team for this episode includes Isabelle Karlsson and PLAN-B's Niklas Figenschau Johansen, Sebastian Langvik-Hansen and Pål Huuse. Background research was conducted by Oscar Hjelde.

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