The litmus I'm using now is like act in beautiful ways, act in a way that you can be proud of. So if there is like really horrible collapse, who must we be in that case? To really be proud of the way that we live and just so if we create a new planetary culture that's actually omni-win or sustainable. It causes me to kind of think like, okay, what are the kind of basic skills that would make you able to thrive?

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