285. Helen Joyce — Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality
The Michael Shermer Show
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Is There a Women's Division?
"It's amazing what you can persuade yourself believe once you start believing nonsense," he says. "I have seen trans men who, you know, want to use gay male spaces,. I mey, i think that's quite an intrusion on gay men." He was race director of race across America in the nineties when women were leading long distance marathons and then fell behind by a day or two. 'Sometimes what being clever is about is fluent argumentation about something absolutely idiotic'
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