Four years ago was when we had like the orange day yeah and this is something that seared my brain was taking my then three year old to school. I can't tell you that number of people who cite that day in the Bay Area as the day that they were like all right I have to do something different with my time. It does feel like there's sadly if you're talking about really mobilizing people in power to create new systems for billions of people there's going to have a lot of be really terrible things having to happen.

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