The Goal Teller

Philip would go on the road with Andy Williams and explain to me back in the mid-later 80s when he was making 12, 13 bucks an hour as a carpenter. By 1985, we were making more money than our dads did. And then someone said, try off Broadway and we said, what the fuck? But you know, if you talk to Paul McCartney, Madonna, Howard Stern, they will all tell you they were not as famous as they should have been.