I think we need better mental models. So for example, one that just came up when Thomas was speaking about it is relational and it isn't. It's like a sponge, the water disappears and then it's run out again or disappears. We need to make better in stories of what these experiences are like. The whole you end up with at the end of the day, the seed, the new seed is not the whole that the whole thing came from,. One's a generative whole and one's so there's language for that.

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