The Overwhelmed-and-Bored Paradox

What happens when we pull back the curtain? In this special edition of Beyond High Performance, we’re flipping the script as our host Jason Jaggard is interviewed by Andy Stanley, Founder and Senior Pastor at North Point Ministries, to unpack the powerful ideas behind Jason’s book, Beyond High Performance: What Great Coaches Know About How the Best Get Better.

Together, they explore the four mindsets that define how we work — prisoner, mercenary, missionary, and athlete — and reveal why the best leaders don’t just perform; they grow. Andy shares how the book challenged his own leadership approach, shifting him from managing to leading again, and why the most irritating question — “What am I capable of?” — might just unlock your next breakthrough.

🌟 What You’ll Learn in This Episode

• The four work mindsets — and how to move from burnout to growth.
• The “high performer problem” and why success can secretly stall progress.
• The single question that drives lasting transformation: What are we capable of?
• Why leaders must model learning, not just teaching.
• How curiosity, imagination, and courage drive meta performance.

🧾 Guest Description

Andy Stanley is the founder, senior pastor, and visionary leader behind North Point Ministries, as well as a best-selling author and communicator.

Listen to Andy on the Andy Stanley Leadership Podcast, featuring the episode “Beyond High Performance: How Great Leaders Make Great Teams.” Tune in here.  The Andy Stanley Leadership Podcast is recognized as one of Forbes’ 6 Leadership Podcasts To Listen To In 2024 and one of the Best Leadership Podcasts To Stay in the Know for CEOs, according to Industry Leader Magazine.

Jason Jaggard is the founder and CEO of Novus Global and co-founder of the Meta Performance Institute. His book Beyond High Performance has inspired elite leaders worldwide to think bigger, lead deeper, and grow beyond their current limits.

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