Fueling Action: Rational Calculus vs. Interpretive Meaning

Ranjay explains how both cost-benefit thinking and identity-driven meaning motivate courageous decisions.

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In this insightful episode of The Mark Divine Show, Mark is joined by Ranjay Gulati, a renowned Harvard Business School professor and influential business thinker. Together, they explore the true meaning of courage, debunking Hollywood stereotypes and discussing insights from significant figures like Nelson Mandela and Steve Jobs. Ranjay shares his research on courage in business and leadership, and delves into his experiences from his new book, 'How to Be Bold'. The conversation touches on personal stories, historic examples, and practical strategies to develop courage in the face of uncertainty. Don't miss this compelling discussion!

Key Takeaways:

What courage really is (and isn’t)
How fear, uncertainty, and volatility can sharpen—not shrink—your leadership
Why imagination and conviction are critical in today’s VUCA world
How to build a “courage muscle” through training and community
The difference between boldness and recklessness—and how to stay grounded in both business and life

Inspirational Quote:

“Courage is the willingness to take bold, risky action to serve a purpose that you perceive to be worthy, usually in the face of an abiding fear.” - Ranjay Gulati

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Guest Links:

Website: https://ranjaygulati.com/

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ranjay-gulati/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@RanjayGulati

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