The Star Chamber

It's almost like the star chamber. You've got a number of individuals playing god in a room. That's how the process has worked. But it's offset by the fact that you've got semi different disciplines there to give you a balanced and appropriate answer based on each individual. It comes with the territory. Maybe to you it makes perfect sense, but i think to most people, kind of most civilians, it would be quite extraordinary that these types of conversations take place at visa.