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Catch Wrestling
"I always loved the, there's two ways to get you to want to pin yourself. One is to making it so painful not to pin yourself that you've been myself or whatever," he says. "It ceases to be all that gentle because at the end of the day, these dudes are strong as hell." He adds: "There ain't a lot of gentleness when it comes to like, Oh, yeah, they wanted to sweep you and you said, no".