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Zen's Approach to Self-Doubt and Self-Motivation
"I just really appreciated zen kind of you know zen is not afraid to tell it like it is," says co-host. "They've been through a lot of the same self-doubt and self-motivation struggles that I think most artists most young artists have been through in the earlier stages of their career", she adds. 'It still has left a lasting effect on on me just and that's true anytime I talk to zen about these things'