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Trump and CNN Together Again

Pod Save America

CHAPTER

The Importance of Talking About It

I didn't come out until I was 18. And it wasn't until I saw Ellen accepting that medal of freedom that I'd never even spoken out loud about how much that had meant to me at the time. Did you talk about it or was it just an entirely internal experience? Talk about Ellen. In watching Ellen come out. It was really emotional for me too, watching her get that medal because I think some people may assume that we've progressed so rapidly. But I feel like our memories don't keep up with that timeline understanding that it's that timeline is actually very, very short.

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