Creative Discipline and Devotion and Desire Are Part of the Process of Conscious Spirituality

Sally Kohn: I appreciate that part of the way that you lead is shoulder to shoulder and, and a communal paradigm sense. So as you share all these, the, the sense of the podcast of, uh, unknowing the risk and vulnerability, all these can take these words can sometimes feel ethereal or just like,  I also wonder how you integrate, bring in, invite, uh, the role of discipline and responsibility as you also journey in this podcast of unknowing and just your own unknowing.Kohn: As any artist can tell you, discipline is, is, is part of the process discipline and devotion and desire are kind of a trinity of sorts