There could be a whole nother aspect of this existence that we just don't understand. One of my best friends who is very much so been very, very materialistic in his worldview and everything. He went down South America, did ayahuasca twice, and completely came back changed. So he's still new to him and he's still processing it, but he's just like, I felt something. I need to sit with it longer. Yeah, I mean, a lot of rabbit holes there. I don't think they're mutually exclusive.

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