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341. Secret Scientists & Real Conspiracies — John Lisle on Stanley Lovell, the OSS precursor to the CIA, and the Masterminds of World War II Secret Warfare

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The Problem With Drugs

Do drugs of any kind, you know, do they really release what's actually accurately in there or people just blur out stuff they would never say? I don't know what the answer it is to that, but it's the problem. One of these other techniques that's pretty similar that Martin Orne discusses in this kind of CIA manual is called the magic room technique. So you don't actually have to hypnotize someone, you just have to make them think they're under hypnosis. But then you place a heater under the desk and you turn it on. And their hands actually do get warm. While they're thinking to themselves, I'm not hypnotized, they can't deny

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