In this episode of The Eric Ries Show, I sit down with Daniel Dines, the Founder and CEO of UiPath, a company that started in robotic process automation (RPA) and is now making a bold shift into agentic AI. Dubbed “the boss of bots” by Forbes, Daniel has led UiPath from its humble beginnings to a $6.65 billion company that’s reshaping the future of automation.

Daniel’s journey is anything but conventional. After working as an engineer on SQL at Microsoft, he felt a pull toward something more creative—building his own product. That decision led him back to Romania, where he founded the company that would eventually become UiPath.

In our conversation today, we talk about the following topics:

• Why stepping out of your comfort zone is key to growth

• The Jack London book that changed Daniel’s life

• The benefits of bootstrapping vs. raising big VC money

• Why letting go is the hard part of a pivot

• How failure can unlock unexpected opportunities

• A case for mixing work and life to build a strong company culture

• Why empowering employees is good for business

• What Daniel learned from UiPath’s journey to IPO

• Daniel’s plans for his second stint as CEO

• Why Daniel is optimistic about the impact AI will have on the future of work

• And more!

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Where to find Daniel Dines:

• LinkedIn: https://x.com/danieldines

• X: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danieldines/

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In This Episode We Cover:

(00:00) Intro

(03:11) Growing up in communist Romania

(10:00) The importance of breaking out of your comfort zone

(13:41) Joy as a sign you’re on the right path

(15:27) The Jack London book that made Daniel an entrepreneur

(16:40) The beginnings of UiPath

(18:50) Why writing code wasn’t enough for Daniel and why coding is creative

(22:22) UiPath’s values

(24:50) Why Daniel returned to Romania

(28:00) Advantages of bootstrapping

(30:50) Pivoting to become a product company from outsourcing

(33:27) An early password management product that didn’t work out

(34:55) The difficult pivot that led to the product that is UiPath now

(39:10) How the early failures led to the big opportunity

(41:37) Hitting product market fit

(43:50) Why Daniel hired misfits, and the characteristics he looked for in hires

(48:32) How Daniel protected UiPath's values and why he plans to renew the commitment

(54:00) The importance of empowering employees at all levels to provide feedback

(57:47) UiPath’s journey to IPO

(1:01:30) Why Eric thinks he didn’t prepare Daniel psychologically for the difficulty of IPO

(1:03:46) Synthetic volatility’s human cost

(1:07:01) Why Daniel stepped down as CEO and why he’s resuming CEO duties

(1:11:55) Daniel’s second stint as CEO: hiring people he likes and going all in on agentic AI

(1:18:20) The promise of open source

(1:19:24) Daniel’s thoughts on the future of work

(1:24:36) Lightning round

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