Aaron: The word passion, I like the etymology of words. It's not just how do you wake up and do the easiest, most happiest thing. It's no, what are you willing to suffer or do you want to endure? And a lot of the stuff that you do, or do currently and have done in your past, there's a suffering element to it. So, I love that part about you. Aaron: You're Ken in nearing, is that how you say Ken in nearing? And Blue John, Ken in? Yeah,. Just to set a little bit of context too, is that at that point, and this was 20 years ago, just about eight weeks

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