Conservatism Is Not Constitutional, Is It?

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The real animosity to arban comes precisely because he's standing up for those values, rather than undermining democratic institutions. This is a conservatism which, in my view, is at the edge of the constitutional order. And we forget another conserv ism, which i'm an old liberal, but you know, the world was built after 19 forty five much more by conservatives than by liberals. You think of de gaspery in italy, and adenhauer, you think of churchill socialists. They believed in a constitutional order, and they built the world that we live in.

Michael Ignatieff, a renowned author and academic, is the former Leader of Canada’s Liberal Party. While Ignatieff was serving as Rector of Central European University, the university was pushed out of Budapest by the Hungarian government.

In this week’s conversation, Michael Ignatieff and Yascha Mounk discuss the rise of illiberal conservatism, the pitfalls of liberalism, and how to find consolation in trying times.

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