In this episode, Joe interviews Veronica Lightning Horse Perez: therapist, speaker, author, activist, and co-chief proponent for the Natural Medicine Health Act of 2022 (Prop 122); and Sean McAllister: attorney specializing in the regulatory, health care, business, and religious freedom aspects of psychedelic medicines, and one of the drafters of Prop 122.

This episode was recorded live at the Plant Medicine Cafe in Denver, CO – which served as an unofficial Prop 122 headquarters – and cohosted by Meaghan Len, co-founder of the U.S.' first ayahuasca church, Sanctuary of the Sovereign Heart.

They dive into the details of Prop 122 and discuss why it's the most freeing legislation we've seen, but also very complicated in the clash between an expensive regulated side and a risky and ambiguous decrim side. While the implementation process continues, they've learned that there is still a huge need for public education, and that one of the most important tasks now is to be hyper aware of how legislators will try to change what people already agreed on.

They discuss:

The Federal vs. state legality issues we still see even after such sweeping legislation
The huge gap in understanding why Indigenous communities are upset and why they need to be included in all discussions
The Religious Freedom Restoration Act and the complications of religion when many of us simply feel spiritual
The natural vs. synthetic fallacy and the future of churches offering a synthetic sacrament
The ontological shock many have after a big experience and why churches and community are needed to help guide people

and more!

For links, head to the show notes page.

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