The U.S. has banned the NSO Group, but hasn't specifically called out Israel for its use of Pegasus technology to hack phones. The Israeli prime minister is using it as a "diplomatic chip" in building alliances with countries that he's never worked with before and will see when he visits another country. But if they had gotten into the balloon game, I think, you know, we would be much, much harder about this,. Maybe the balloon would have been smaller.
Danny and Derek welcome Rose Reid and Nando Vila, co-hosts of the new podcast Shoot the Messenger: Espionage, Murder & Pegasus Spyware. They discuss mass surveillance, (the totally legal) Pegasus spyware, how the grisly murder of Jamal Khashoggi fits into this, the vulnerability of journalists, and more.
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