How Should We Threat-Model Agentic AI Systems?

The silos between Application Security and Cloud Security are officially breaking down, and AI is the primary catalyst. In this episode, Tejas Dakve, Senior Manager, Application Security, Bloomberg Industry Group and Aditya Patel, VP of Cybersecurity Architecture discuss how the AI-driven landscape is forcing a fundamental change in how we secure our applications and infrastructure.

The conversation explores why traditional security models and gates are "absolutely impossible" to maintain against the sheer speed and volume of AI-generated code .

Learn why traditional threat modeling is no longer a one-time event, how the lines between AppSec and CloudSec are merging, and why the future of the industry belongs to "T-shaped engineers" with a multidisciplinary range of skills.

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Questions asked:

(00:00) Introduction(02:30) Who is Tejas Dakve? (AppSec)(03:40) Who is Aditya Patel? (CloudSec)(04:30) Common Use Cases for AI in Cloud & Applications(08:00) How AI Changed the Landscape for AppSec Teams(09:00) Why Traditional Security Models Don't Work for AI(11:00) AI is Breaking Down Security Silos (CloudSec & AppSec)(12:15) The "Hallucination" Problem: AI Knows Everything Until You're the Expert(12:45) The Speed & Volume of AI-Generated Code is the Real Challenge(14:30) How to Handle the AI Code Explosion? "Paved Roads"(15:45) From "Department of No" to "Department of Safe Yes"(16:30) Baking Security into the AI Lifecycle (Like DevSecOps)(18:25) Securing Agentic AI: Why IAM is More Important than the Chat(24:00) The Silo: AppSec Doesn't Have Visibility into Cloud IAM(25:00) Merging Threat Models: AppSec + CloudSec(26:20) Using New Frameworks: MITRE ATLAS & OWASP LLM Top 10(27:30) Threat Modeling Must Be a "Living & Breathing Process"(28:30) Using AI for Automated Threat Modeling(31:00) Building vs. Buying AI Security Tools(34:10) Prioritizing Vulnerabilities: Quality Over Quantity(37:20) The Rise of the "T-Shaped" Security Engineer(39:20) Building AI Governance with Cross-Functional Teams(40:10) Secure by Design for AI-Native Applications(44:10) AI Adoption Maturity: The 5 Stages of Grief(50:00) How the Security Role is Evolving with AI(55:20) Career Advice for Evolving in the Age of AI(01:00:00) Career Advice for Newcomers: Get an IT Help Desk Job(01:03:00) Fun Questions: Cats, Philanthropy, and Thai Food

Resources discussed during the interview:

• Amazon Rufus: (Amazon's AI review summarizer)

• OWASP Top 10 for LLMs

• STRIDE Threat Model: (Microsoft methodology)

• MITRE ATLAS
• Cloud Security Alliance (CSA) Maestro Framework
• CISA KEV (Known Exploited Vulnerabilities)

• Book: Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World by David Epstein
• Anjali Charitable Trust

• Aditya Patel's Blog