"My sheila and are ar is the people that we're like, look, there are some native peoples on these lands. I'm not saying i that's inexcusable, but like, it seems like, well, it's self perpetuating, right?" "I think that the idea of things don't get done without like, kind of a manevil personye, an enforcer who's willing to to inflict suffering on people, is a myth," he says.

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