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CNLP 456 | The Art of Charm's AJ Harbinger and Johnny Dzubak on the Journey to 250 Million Downloads, How to Boost Your Confidence and Communication, and Advice to Church Leaders

The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast

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What Advice Would You Give to Church Leaders?

Carriy: For me, what i get the most out of church is when the leader has that crisma to meet me where i'm at. And i've had, i've been on the receiving end of homilies with a very carismatic leader who can relate to each demographic within that audience and make the message relevant and actionable to me. Johnny: We like to say that we're dale carnegi for the modern world. But as we've seen the rise in technology, there are changes and nuances to how we communicate now. Carriy: I don't think there is much in mainstream culture right now that leads people out of the dark - so to

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