The peace when it comes must prove to be durable and just. The least we can do is to help them in the concrete ways that matter most. Back in the middle of the 20th century the peace-loving partisans of the Bal-Dokja will write to take the fight to the Nazis. And today the peace- loving people of Ukraine are right to resist the tanks that are trying to annex their country. My guest today is Vincent Lloyd, a professor at Villanova University where he is the director of Afrikaans Studies.