"I'll work with anyone toward any end that ultimately is actually not a violation of human dignity," he says. "People are deeply ambivalent about the truth, so good, hearted people will give you enough data to provide them with a way of looking at their life." He adds: "When you help people see both the reality of both broken idolatry and beautiful heart of desire for goodness ... You're helping people get caught in some sense in the depths of their own ambivalence regarding life"

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