The idea that moral questions aren't going to be at the forefront of what we care about is insane? Yes? Ye. No, i totally agree. And i think it's the mix of this desire to be quo scientific and avoid value judgments, some and and some desire to to find, like, biological substraits make a cross speech which is a bizarre thing to her. Well, even with dogs, an you don't want like, like, i don't care, if i want to know,. If you're in the market for a dog, and le say you're going pure bred,  you're not going to look only for traits that would also describe turtles, or