Is that actually a season or did you just... Awards season? Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,

yeah. It's just like, this is the type of movie they like to put out to get some love. There's usually... I feel like there's like a 1.5x multiplier on your chances of getting an oscar if it's a musical biopic like bohemian rhapsody like rami malek probably deserves the fell into that oscar tooth actin to

the tooth actin baby them gompers yeah

gompers in an accent that'll do it i think the elton john guy got some love. Edgerton? I Walk the Line did some numbers

at the Line did do some numbers. That's right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, anyway. Ray, we're... Capote?

Now I'm just... Capote.

Fucking bullshit. Specifically musical biopics. We've got three coming out to some would say too many but that they kind of seem to have had that same thought and they're like okay how do we make these not all the thing that they made fun of in walk hard you know yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we got the Bob Dylan one, which seems like it's a pretty straightforward, like could have been one of the movies being made fun of in Walk Hard. It's just they're like, yeah, but we got Timothee Chalamet as Bob Dylan, as young Bob Dylan. Why be? Yeah, enough said. It's only covering him up to 1965. So it's like going to cover his him going electric. I don't know if you guys know about this whole controversy during Bob Dylan's career, but he was like an acoustic troubadour. And then like people were so bored at the time that when he decided to start playing an electric guitar, they were like, Judas, fuck you, man. your fucking back on us

we hate you but arguably there are they gonna just like stop before like 1968 and like the height of the anti-vietnam war movement and the height of like what kind of made bob dylan even more legendary it's just gonna be we're gonna just depoliticize everything about bob dylan it's

gonna be more about the iconography, the music, the hair, the sunglasses. We're going to see him go to a store and be like, what about those sunglasses?

Yes, yes, yes. No,

no, no, Bob. Those sunglasses make you look like shit. And he puts them

on. These are for the elderly. And then he's...

He takes them off the face of a blind guy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can borrow mine. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

That's every musical biopic is just like someone at a piano messing around or on their guitar and we're like, play that again. I

will say as a Bob Dylan fan, the trailer did get me. But that's,

I'm a sucker.

Is it in black and white?

Yeah. Well, I mean, everything's fucking. I'm also thinking, like, Timothy. Which makes me happy. Timothy Chalamet is also just, like, in so many IP-type movies, right? Like, they're not original scripts. Like, he's in Dune. He was Willy Wonka. Like, Call Me By Your Name was, like, based on a novel. Like, he's just always kind of being, like, he's the IP god. Bob Dylan? Get Timothee Chalamet, man. He was the IP god.

I didn't know Call Me By Your Name was already a book, but I feel like that doesn't count as, like, a big IP.

No, no, no. But, I mean, I sort of mean that in sort of, like, the inside baseball Hollywood way because're like, everyone in Hollywood now says everything has to be IP intellectual property has to be based on something else to the point where like, I know writers who are writing scripts and just claiming it's based on a book that exists because they're counting on development executives to not read it or actually parse that. And they're like, Oh, that's great. And you got the rights. And they're like, Yep. And they're like, Yeah, there's

actually a post credit sequence in Call Me By Your Name where it's revealed that it takes place in the G.I. Joe Transformer.

Just to anchor it. But yeah, I mean, like, that's, like, everyone, just because the amount of creative thinking in this town has just gone fucking just poof, that it's now everything's like, is it based on something people know about? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we got these terrible fucking movies or, like, half-assed biopics that, like, about really interesting people. Like, that Amy Winehouse thing, I feel like could have probably been interesting but i that yeah there's been a big string of misses yeah i didn't even

see that one i haven't seen a lot of them just because you're like i could watch a documentary like i didn't watch the nina simone one i have watched amy amy weinhaus documentaries i'm like that's that's depressing enough you know i want like the real depressing thing i mean it's also by the way i didn't even talk about this i was going to but like the minute i'm deep in the menendez brother situation here

okay

and

i'm like the documentary on max hbo whatever is great like it's really good and i don't want to subject myself to fucking ryan murphy's you know sensationalized bullshit on Netflix. It's just like that, you

know, that he says has been

the best thing that happened to Menendez brothers in 30 years. Shut up.

He's like, I mean, I don't believe they were incestuous, but, you know. But like, what if they were and it was hot? What if they were, huh?

Yeah. Like, ugh. Right. But anyway, yeah. I made them fucking stars, okay? Yeah. They should be thinking.

Nobody knew who they were. I put them on the map. The Chalamet

thing, like, we don't have to show the trailer because you can just close your eyes and picture the trailer. And it is that. That is exactly what it is. If you know Bob Dylan and you know Timothee Chalamet, put a Bob Dylan wig on Timothee Chalamet. So in order to, and probably as a result of some of these other biopics, there was also a Whitney Houston one that didn't do very well. Studios are trying to figure out like, what do we do here? How do we spin this so that it feels like it's different than every musical biopic that you've ever seen right also they usually try to hide the fact that movies are musicals now like that seems to be the trick is like make a musical and then don't show any of the songs in it and just be like what this a musical no like the the mean girls remake that the entire reason for it existing was the Mean Girls, the musical, but they like cut the musical out of the title and made a trailer where it was just a remake of Mean Girls. And it did great because people like, wait, yeah. And they're singing and I guess I'm okay with that, but I guess it's like not a selling point. So they're trying to come up with other selling points. We've talked before about the upcoming pharrell biopic that

we're just doing people who are alive i mean dylan's alive dylan's

alive i think i do think a big part of the problem john's alive whatever biopics is that like if the person like is so iconic that like you know everybody knows like tupac for instance like everybody knows exactly what they look like everybody saw a lot of them on camera and then you like have a film with somebody else playing them who's not as magnetic the tupac

movie wasn't l the bob marley movie wasn't l and a lot of it was because these people look nothing fucking like them you're like what the fuck is

but straight out of compton was not an l i love

that i thought that movie that was i mean that's where it's like thank god you had o'shea jackson jr to play ice cube and shit like that and the acting was great but like with the tupac one they just went after a dude who went viral for looking like Tupac. And we're like, get him some acting classes. And that's what you got there. So the Pharrell, I'm like a huge, I'm a gigantic Pharrell fan. Oh, really? Growing up, because people are like, oh, you kind of look like, is he Asian or not? And I was like, oh, you know what? This might be like a style lane for me when I was 17 years old. And like the Neptunesunes i have like a near encyclopedic knowledge of like every song they've produced of artists they collaborated with but when i i saw the trailer for this when i went to see beetlejuice beetlejuice and i groaned so fucking hard i was like why is pharrell a fucking lego like what are we even doing here and also this isn't the time for a pharrell biopic it just me, it came off as such a weird cash grab. Are the

minions involved as well?

Just Legos. I mean, probably. Pharrell is never more inspired than when he is making music for the minions. Of

an animated show. It makes sense. He seems to

be very artistically inspired by cartoons and kids' entertainment.

Yeah. It's very whimsical. Is he part Asian? No, I don't think so. Okay, see, that's what I thought. I was like, he's not. There were a lot of times. I remember in the early days of the internet, it was like, oh, you know, he's Filipino. And I'm like, wow, really? Really? Really? And then people were like really digging in it's it still seems it seemed like a mystery unless you probably wikipedia and the answer is there but all that to say it's like i don't this again why is it a lego is it because the lego movies do well and you're just trying to have some synergistic thing here where it's like pharrell plus legos take your kids and then you can hear Snoop Dogg talk too, but they all look like fucking Legos.

Yeah.

So how the fuck do you know? I think it's what Jack said. It is a cash grab. It's

a cash grab and all Lego toys look pretty similar. Like all the Lego guys. I know. And I'm trying to work on that. And I said that first and

I have to check my old white supremacy My bad But

like they like show these People who are Supposed to like Garner oh wow Like oh yeah he's This is where he gave that song idea To that famous artist and it's just Like another Lego person but like They have a goatee and you're like uh okay buster rhymes in the world of like famous producers

and given how uh diddy has gone down right why

what happened yeah

it does make you feel like slightly like like let him do this because like maybe maybe this is just me being naive i know diddy did come out with some sort of documentary like about himself or like you know people do all kinds of crazy things but i'm like maybe it means like because like if you also had like really awful shit on you would you want to be doing press tours like you know what i mean it makes me feel like oh maybe he's like a good guy. Like, it's the way I feel about 50 Cent, and 50 Cent's got a documentary, I think, about Diddy, which makes me be like, oh, maybe 50 Cent is like actually not a bad person. Like, maybe he doesn't have rape allegations and assault allegations, because why would he be doing this

documentary? Quick Google search. Oh.

Quick Google search, probably not. Yay. But I don't know there's something about this that i'm like yeah okay maybe maybe there's still good people in music out there who are you know we once admired i

think at this point it's a safe bet to just presume that anyone at the height of the entertainment industry probably has a like a graveyard's worth of skeletons in their closet. I think so, too. The Me

Too movement really passed over the music industry and was like, too much, too big. We'll get back to this.

I need music to do drugs to, at least. Too much homework for the reporters

on this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For real, though. Right. For real.

The one. So suggesting that this really is just them trying not to have to cast somebody who looks like the iconic person. We also have the Robbie Williams movie that is coming out soon. Robbie Williams is a massive star in the UK. He's a blurred lines guy, right? No, that's Robin. No, that's Robin. That's Robin Thicke's son, right? That's Alan Thicke's son. Alan Thicke's son, Robin. Robbie Williams had a couple songs in the early 2000s that broke through in the US. Millennium, I think. Yeah, Millennium is one where he's... And he's basically like hot right like that's kind of his thing he's like a hot boy idol like okay but he's still alive he's still too fresh in people's memory to have a biopic starring anybody who's just like a we're doing gen x biopics is what we're saying yes exactly exactly and so what they've done is they're like, okay, so they're thinking like, okay, we have this problem that we can't solve with Robbie Williams. This Robbie Williams biopic, like how do we cast it? And then they at around that time, the Planet of the Apes movies are coming out. And they're like, what if Robbie Williams a monkey for some reason? Yeah. And not everybody in the movie a monkey. And now I'm going to start talking like the politician that we were just meeting for the first time out of Virginia. Not everybody monkey. Robbie Williams, though. He monkey. Let's see this teaser really quick. Oh, my God. Thank you. Yeah, they're kids kicking a ball at

a chimp. What's with the monkey? Based on a true story. Hold on. What is a true story here? This chimpanzee who evolved into a hot singer or what? Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Robbie. Does he become

human at some point?

No, I think it's meant to be because he said, according to this article. I've always felt different. I've always felt a little less evolved. Yes. And interesting. Less

evolved? Okay, this feels like a cover for Me Too stuff. I've always felt less evolved. My animal instincts got the better of me. Haven't you seen my biopic? I'm a monkey.

I'm a bit of one of those freak chimps that'll rip your arms off and beat you to death with them. Yeah.

So the really shocking thing about this is that it has come out at various festivals, and people think it's good. Like it got an 86% on Rotten Tomatoes. People are like, this thing actually goes. It's fucking cool. Were tears shed? Somehow. I don't know.

I don't want to judge it. Like do something different. You know what I mean? It's better to have this than the same old, same old biopic, which for the longest time I thought was biopic, which I still think it should be pronounced biopic. Yeah,'s a biography, like a biopsy, but like, are

you getting a biopsy? Yeah,

I always think of like cancer. But

but right, like, it's like, okay, they did something different. I don't know why it had to be about Robbie Williams, but it sounds like it's a nice movie about a chimp that finally learns his place and it's on stage.

And inspires a generation. Dance monkey dance. I'd prefer some just weird thing where it's like if Pharrell was an alien, you know, because he says that a lot. And amongst people growing up, he's like, I always felt different. My creativity. Like he says that a lot. Like, I think it's even in the trailer about how he said i always felt different as a kid i'm like that's a better thing to see than like oh so now you're a fucking lego no

no right no no and at least that's a different 3000 biopic that it needs to be him secretly he's been an alien the whole time he's been trying to tell you the whole time that's what at aliens was like Like that shit was not ironic. Nothing, not a metaphor for alienation. You are listening to

me. Yeah,

you are not listening to me. I'm actually from another planet. I just want to be heard.

Yeah. No one even noticed my flute is using alien technology. Everyone just goes, wow, look at that cool flute he's got. It's from another fucking planet, y'all.

Anyways, Hollywood make that happen. Things are so weird though at this point that i saw this tweet so somebody retweeted a thing from at discussing film blue check mark so you know it's real that announced an animated phil collins biopic is in the works that will take place in the world of Grand Theft Auto. Collins will voice himself. And someone was like, okay, what the fuck is going on? And I was just like, yeah, no, that is not the strangest biopic that I've heard of of a musician this year. That actually sounds

tight. Like, I don't even know Grand Theft Auto very well, but I know Phil Collins music. And I feel like those two things work kind of well together.

Yeah. Animated Genesis Phil Collins thing is fine. But this isn't real, right? I'm guessing because this can't be. I don't understand why this would make sense to anyone who's actually making films. To be like, all right, man, can we get the biggest video game franchise ever and use that IP to then mash that together? One of my favorite musicians, Phil Collins, man. I think that's a sick fucking movie right there. I mean, but no, it's not true, right? It's not true. It's

not true. No, no.

Okay. Yeah. And I'm the same way. We would be sitting here

reporting that it was true, but our writer, J.M. McNabb was like, guys, this isn't true. Guys, hey, don't do it. Don't say it's true.

Believable. Believable. Yeah. It's all about IP.

Yeah, it is. Truly believable. And also a little bit of, like, not paying actors. And, you know, I don't know what the state of the animator's strike is right now. But I'm like, you know, a lot of this, you got to imagine these were films that were being made during the writer's strike and the SAG strike. So we might be seeing the product of that as well. Yeah.

It's such a fun, whimsical origin story where Pharrell was just like playing with Legos and we were like, oh my God. No, actually it was to fuck a bunch of people out of as much money as possible. We told Pharrell he

probably is going to get the biggest return on it being animated. Yeah. By the most weird.