I never saw a positive article about Putin. He was, as I said on the documentary, a son of Russia. But at that time, Europe had significant support for Putin. The United States was sneering at Putin. That's correct. You can say that. And then so there's this. It was, there was uncertainty as to the direction, as to the future of Russia. And that's exactly when you interviewed Vladimir Putin. This has always been his picture. Peace was always his idea. In other words, he always referred to the United States in all these interviews as our partners. They're not.

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