i ron a product, as in sedio call boy, that i set up, ah, maybe about seven years ago. And then also having set up craftsbas workshop in bangalow s action an industrial area of the city. So i think, for me, i definitely tell a very different story of how what the crafted object can be and the context in which it's made. When you think about a maker in the kind of western sense, verses, you know, a crafts person in india, they're two very, very different things.

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