Aza: At every step along the way, we're going back and forth and iterating to try and decide what's meaningful. The use of the body looking at brown hands, seeing yourself in a mirror came from research that Jeremy is done and understood. So there was a lot of iteration and back and forth that was an important process for developing the content. Aza: To link this for listeners back to the work of social media and the social dilemma that many people have seen, Instagram is impacting the development of teenagers. But it's not designed with the child developmental psychologist and the teenager development psychologist at the table saying, what does healthy teenager development look like? How do we design around

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