Pete Wentz: I was humiliated and terrified. It's good to be humble, right? But then we life humbles us and then our minds. We humiliated. Humbling plus mind is humiliation. And she was just like, this is good Pete, humbling. He said though it was crashing press time, which means I must have been. "I think your first instinct is right is in the Rogan era of podcasts"

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