I was just in like a 10 year deep dive with Bob Wilson from 98 when I really discovered him and went whole hog to roughly 2008. And my point being is that I was just pouring so much energy into finding these obscure essays and articles on eBay. And it took a lot of work to convert them into digital form and post them on the internet. Like I felt like I had had enough of Bob Wilson. It's just kind of been hard for me to really, I love doing this podcast because I get to talk to other people and we get to dive into other subjects that are influential or been influenced by Bob.