I started making what's called the goat list. I quite honestly really enjoy the podcast that are just with People who I've run into through my career and and have something interesting to say That's probably a half of the people that we have on You might not have ever heard of them But they have interesting stuff to say or they have an interesting experience Or they learned to code in an alternative way or they went through a bootcamp And I honestly think that is good information to get in front of people that actually listen to syntax So that's always been kind of a goal of mine because we we don't necessarily need the guests to get the audience Um, because yeah, you folks are awesome when