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Can the Speech or Debate Clause Shield Mike Pence from a Subpoena?

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What Constitutes a Legislative Act?

The question of whether or not we can answer this issue by analogizing Trump's actions to bribery is giving me serious flashbacks to the first impeachment and his conduct over Ukraine, but that's an issue for a different time. So I do want to drill in a little more on how we define what constitutes a legislative act and how far out that could go. If you imagined in kind of concentric circles and at the bull's eye is, you know, once on the Senate floor on January 6, presiding over the electoral count, that seems to me if I understand correctly, pretty clearly within the scope of the speech or debate clause. And then if you go out and concentric circles, there

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