"I've just been beating myself up about it every day since. And I haven't been able to get it out of my head," he says. "It can be healing for a person to actually name without any watering down, which sometimes have this defensive, performative aspect that you were talking about as kind of preemptive strikes against unconsciously anticipated, horrifying punishment" He adds: "There's something deeply healing about that and healing in that they're getting it out, they're naming it."

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