#17: Heart Rate Training with 2:21 Marathoner Jason Cherriman
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Running a Marathon?
I think that was largely down to, you know, still being relatively inexperienced, not having a huge amount of mileage in my legs. I personally, somebody running a marathon having averaged 35 to 45 miles a week for the previous 10 weeks isn't really trained to do a marathon. And so at that point, I started looking at how we could build on what I learned and sort of gradually, gradually build things up.
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“Consistency first, volume second, and maybe some more specific workouts if necessary. That gets phenomenal results, you don’t stress your body too much, the results you get from building your aerobic engine are significant" - Jason Cherriman Jason Cherriman (Strava) is a 38 year old elite runner from Leeds in the UK. His current marathon PB is 2:21 and he is trying to break 2:20 at the London Marathon this Sunday! A recent podcast guest Jonathan Walton brought up Jason’s website Running Obsessive and I was blown away by the detail and thought he puts into his training and publicly shares for others to learn from. In today’s Extramilest Show, he shares many recommendations for marathoners of different levels who are looking to improve. We take a deep dive into heart rate training, aerobic development, measuring various data points, heat training, tapering and much more. Some background stats on Jason:
- His max heart rate tested in a lab is 198
- His vo2max during the test was 70
- MAF hr is 147 (180 - 38 + 5)
- In the past 10 weeks he ran an average of 111 miles (179km) per week, that’s about 14 hours a week, 2 hours a day
- 75 to 80% of his runs at low HR (140 or below)
- His average HR during marathon races is 174 to 177
- Jason’s background, a bit overweight in his twenties [3:15]
- His stress fracture injury [5:30]
- How he combines running while working full time, being a husband and dad to 2 young daughters [6:10]
- Jason’s first marathon experience in 2009 at the Hamburg marathon in 3:13 [8:20]
- Bonking spectacularly at mile 17 {11:20]
- Jason’s approach for his next marathons from there [12:45]
- Current PR’s [16:40]
- How Jason has been able to continue improving from 3:13 marathon to 2:21 marathon so far [17:59]
- How Jason goes about Heart Rate Training [22:00]
- Jason’s VO2Max 70, Max HR 198 and MAF 147 [24:35]
- Measuring aerobic efficiency [27:00]
- The fine line between stress and fatigue levels [28:00 ]
- Data analysis with Elevate Strava plugin with fitness vs fatigue [31:20]
- Marathon tapering data and thoughts [34:30]
- Power meters on a bike vs running [35:30]
- Jason runs with a Garmin watch 645 [37:10]]
- Calculating fluid loss + calories lost, so burn rate at different intensities. (540 * fluid loss(kg)) / (distance(km) * body mass(kg) * 0.75). For example, a run Jason did recently: (540 * 1.27) / (12.9*65.45 * 0.75) = 1.08kcal/km/kg [39:10]
- Thoughts on carb depletion and carb loading around a marathon [41:20]
- His average HR during marathon races is 174 to 177 [44:12]
- How Jason trains forheat acclimatization [45:00]
- Training to reduce your body temperatures, improving sweat rate, developing sweat glands, increase VO2Max, etc [46:00]
- Floris’s experience with sauna training with heart rate monitor [50:50]
- How much sleep Jason gets per night [52:20]
- Aerobic efficiency - number of beats per mile [53:50]
- Tanda equation for marathon prediction times [55:30]
- How Jason goes about rest days and limiting chance of injuries [56:25]
- HowJason previously got a stress fractures by building too quickly and training too fast [58:45]
- Jason's experiment with plant based diet [59:40]
- The nutrition that works best for Jason in his training cycles [1:00:35]
- Tracking nutrition on an app 1:00:45
- 50-60% carbs, rice, potatoes, muesli, grains, fish, vegetables, fruits [1:01:30]
- Cross training and why Jason doesn’t do much of it [1:03:50]
- What Jason would do differently if he was a full time athlete [1:04:38]
- Peak training weeks with 14 - 15 hours of running, up to 130 miles / 209km a week [1:05:10].
- His favorite speed training workouts [1:06:36]
- His race strategy going into the London Marathon on Sunday with Sub 2:20 goal [1:09:42]
- The best way to start a marathon on race day [1:11:05]
- What Jason does when he hits tough spots in a race [1:13:20]
- Jason represented England in the 2016 Toronto Marathon [1:15:30]
- Recommendations for other marathoners looking to improve [1:17:20]
- Other races on Jason’s bucket list and transitioning into Ultra distances [1:20:45]
- Jason on Strava
- Jason’s Blog - Running Obsessive
- Advanced marathoning book
- Run with Power Book by Jim Vance
- Elevate extension for Chrome to plug into Strava
- Garmin watch Forerunner® 645
- Garmin HRM-Run™
- Polar watch M430
- Nutrition tracking app My Fitness Pal
- Tanda Race Predictor
- Renato Canova - Italian running coach
- Comrades Marathon South Africa
- New York Marathon
- Boston Marathon
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