Are there any circumstances in which the insurance companies know more than their customers about their own risks? That's a really great question I think it I think when it comes and I don't know for sure but I've we thought about this a lot. It's not like if we had a competition of who could you know get the actuarial tables right that I do better than they would, it is like what they kind of move first and then I get to react yeah okay.

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