PGIM's Phil Waldeck - the intersection of insurance and asset management
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Geographic Growth Opportunities in Private Credit
Phil identifies Europe and Japan as underdeveloped private-credit markets that could grow with securitization and market development.
Welcome back to the Alt Goes Mainstream podcast.
Today’s episode is with an experienced asset allocator who has operated at the intersection of insurance and asset management throughout his career.
We sat down in Prudential’s Newark studio with PGIM’s Head of Multi-Asset and Quantitative Solutions, Phil Waldeck. Phil is responsible for nearly $140B in AUM, where the business unit leverages PGIM’s deep public and private markets expertise for the purpose of developing customized portfolio solutions to meet insurer and other investors’ unique objectives.
Phil previously served as Chief Transformation Officer at Prudential, CEO of Prudential’s Workplace Solutions Group, and as president of Prudential’s retirement business, which comprised of $250B in assets. Phil was also the architect of Prudential’s pension risk transfer business, which he grew to over $170B.
Phil and I had a fascinating conversation about the intersections between insurance and asset management. We covered:
- The evolution of how insurers allocate to private markets.
- The importance of asset liability management.
- How insurers are leveraging their balance sheet to invest in private markets and collaborate with alternative asset managers.
- How insurance and asset management interact and the benefits of an integrated platform.
- How PGIM's $1T in public and private credit informs how they invest.
- Why insurers are allocating to private credit.
Thanks Phil for sharing your perspectives and wisdom on insurance and private markets. We hope you enjoy.
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Show Notes
00:00 Message from our Sponsor, Ultimus
01:23 Welcome to Alt Goes Mainstream Podcast
02:03 Guest Introduction: Phil Waldeck
03:29 Insurance and Asset Management Intersection
04:51 Understanding Asset Liability Management (ALM)
05:41 Liquidity and Private Markets
07:08 ALM in Wealth Management
10:44 Private Credit and Insurers
11:31 Private Credit Flavors and Strategies
12:42 Origination and Credit Culture
14:32 Talent and Culture at PGIM
15:06 Private Credit's Role in the Economy
17:01 Borrowers Choosing Private Over Public Credit
18:36 Public and Private Credit Blurring Lines
19:00 Global Credit Capabilities
20:09 Fewer Manager Relationships in Private Markets
24:57 Challenges in Private Markets
27:02 Underwriting Discipline in Private Credit
27:34 Private Credit Market Growth
30:22 Global Opportunities in Private Credit
31:01 Future of Private Markets
31:30 Regulatory Framework and Governance
31:57 Educating Investors on Private Markets
33:06 Creating the Perfect Private Credit Portfolio
33:57 Diversification in Private Credit
34:36 Advisors' Role in Private Credit Investing
35:07 Wealth Channel Choices and Shelf Space
35:53 Farm to Table Analogy in Private Credit
37:32 Talent and Scale in Private Credit
38:54 Maintaining Culture in Large Firms
39:33 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant.
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