I don't believe that many of those in positions of power are doing it deliberately, some are. But a lot of them are just caught up in these stories. And they're partly caught up in them by their own fear of what participation would unleash. I think it's so interesting to remember, and so hard to remember, that in a different kind of future, people will be different. Like this is where people get stuck. We think that there's going to be like, the world will be different, but people will be the exact same. Then we try to map how that's going to cause dysfunction, you know? You don't actually need to start with the full vision of

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