I think religion is one way of reframing that problem and having a broader support base for this. I think there's a strong emphasis on the fact that everything, you know, is God's creation has that's the Holy Spirit. And so to be cruel to nature, whether it's animals or plants, or the young in general, is immoral in so many ways. We're talking about with affective young anxiety and loneliness and the material crisis as well. It tries to fill this hole that we all have inside of us of meaning and wellbeing"

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