"There's a kind of a mata acology of practice that it is needed if we're going toa, do the scaling of this for the cultural transformation," says Andius. "I'm trying to talk to people like forest and other people, because i'm trying to figure out, how can we do this without doing the feudal, iron age hierarchy?" asks Ammition. 'Having conversations like this feels in the right directionon but i don't know,' he adds.

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