The Future of Interpretability

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I'm kind of imagining something where you know take like the zooming blue paper we've talked about a couple times that are very small but. very sparse and kind of crystalline almost looking subgraphs. I think it's worth noting that even if this like fails pretty badly it's still possible for the interpretability of narrow tasks like the mentioned power seeking in certain scenarios can be achieved through mechanistic interpretability. There are ways which this is like a graceful degradation of like ambitious goals having a whole architecture which makes sense with an understanding of the dangerous capabilities so we can at least remove those abilities.

Arthur Conmy sits down with Nathan Labenz for an accessible deep dive into the state of interpretability research online today. They discuss how pioneering researchers have painstakingly worked to isolate the sub-circuits within transformers that are responsible for different aspects of AI capabilities. Arthur also introduces us to a new ACDC approach that he and his co-authors have taken to automating some of the most time-consuming parts of this work. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(04:40) What attracted Arthur to mechanistic interpretability?

(07:49) LLM information processing: General Understanding vs Stochastic Parrot Paradigm

(14:00) ACDC paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.14997

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(24:30) Putting together data sets

(32:39) How to intervene in LLMs network activity

(36:00) Defining metrics to evaluate the production of correct completions

(44:20) The future of the mechanistic interpretability research

(50:00) Extracting upstream activations in the ACDC project and evaluating impact on downstream components.

(56:00) Anthropic research findings

(01:08:00) 3-Step process of the ACDC approach

(01:22:00) Setting a threshold and validation

(01:27:00) Goal of the approach

(01:32:00) Compute requirements

Correction: at (01:33:00), Arthur meant to say = "quadratic in nodes"

(01:35:30) Scaling laws for mechanistic interpretability

(01:40:00) Accessibility of this research for casual enthusiasts

(01:46:00) Emergence discourse

(01:56:00) Path to AI safety

LINKS:

https://arthurconmy.github.io/

https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.14997

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@arthurconmy (Arthur)

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