We want to find where the spark comes from mechanistically. How can you literally go from sand to cells? That's the first transition that I think... There are a number of problems we want to do. Make life in a lab. Then we want to suddenly start to make intelligent life. Or life that can start to solve abstract problems. And then we want to make life that is conscious. Getting towards this artificial general intelligence. It has to have a causal change all the way back to Luca.

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