"We're trying to discover the values of people and if you get between people and money they often change the value so that's what we try to do," says Fred. "I interviewed some of the most prominent people when I was 22 multiple prime ministers billionaires all sorts of people heads of churches politicians and medians" He has a very highly developed sense of people through these strange experiences, he adds. 'People have dark hearts they carry on and chat and scream and tell me I'm unreasonable'  Fred is now in an out placement for six weeks as part of his currency business.