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The Propensity to Alter State of Consciousness
I would say the average, there was a Rumi festival in Seattle back in 2000. Usually when I practice it's something between let's say 15 minutes to about less than 20 minutes. These are the biggest, you know, like the altered states that you really feel that this is an altered state of consciousness. And but yeah, I can't really say that this was more powerful than the other one. He has tried mushrooms, psilocybin, ketamine, MDMA, if it's counted also as a psychedelic. There are psychedelics that they haven't tried.