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In part two of this two-part episode on The DevOpsHandbook, Second Edition, Gene Kim speaks with coauthors Dr. Nicole Forsgren and Jez Humble about the past and current state of DevOps. Forsgren and Humble share with Kim their DevOps aha moments and what has been the most interesting thing they’ve learned since the book was released in 2016.
Jez discusses the architectural properties of the programming language PHP and what it has in common with ASP.NET. He also talks about the anguish he felt when Mike Nygard’s book, Release It!, was published while he was working on his book, Continuous Delivery.
Forsgren talks about how it feels to see the findings from the State of DevOps research so widely used and cited within the technology community. She explains the importance of finding the link between technology performance and organizational performance as well as what she's learned about the importance of culture and how it can make or break an organization.
Humble, Forsgren, and Kim each share their favorite case studies in The DevOps Handbook.
ABOUT THE GUEST(S)
Dr. Nicole Forsgren and Jez Humble are two of five coauthors of The DevOps Handbook along with Gene Kim, Patrick Debois and John Willis.
Forsgren, PhD, is a Partner at Microsoft Research. She is coauthor of the Shingo Publication Award-winning book Accelerate: The Science of Lean Software and The DevOps Handbook, 2nd Ed., and is best known as lead investigator on the largest DevOps studies to date. She has been a successful entrepreneur (with an exit to Google), professor, performance engineer, and sysadmin. Her work has been published in several peer-reviewed journals.
Humble is co-author of Lean Enterprise, the Jolt Award-winning Continuous Delivery, and The DevOps Handbook. He has spent his career tinkering with code, infrastructure, and product development in companies of varying sizes across three continents, most recently working for the US Federal Government at 18F. As well as serving as DORA’s CTO, Jez teaches at UC Berkeley.
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[05:22] Intro
[05:34] Meet Jez Humble
[10:19] What Jez is working on these days
[15:56] What inform his book, “Continuous Delivery”
[24:02] Assembling the team for the project
[26:30] At what point was PHP an important property
[31:56] The most surprising thing since the DevOps Handbook came out
[35:07] His favorite pattern that went into the DevOps Handbook
[43:40] What DevOps worked on in 2021
[44:46] Meet Dr. Nicole Forsgren
[50:32] What Dr. Forsgren is working on these days
[52:18] What it’s like working at Microsoft Research
[55:58] The response to the state of DevOps findings
[59:18] The most surprising finding since the findings release
[1:05:59] Her favorite pattern that influence performance
[1:08:49] How Dr. Forsgren met Dr. Ron Westrum
[1:11:06] The most important thing she’s learned in this journey
[1:14:46] Her favorite case study in the DevOps Handbook
[1:19:12] Dr. Christina Maslach and work burnout
[1:20:46] More context about the case studies
[1:25:32] The Navy case study
[1:29:04] Outro
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