Each one of us is a producer and a consumer. We play a role in markets, we're all immersed in households. And then you can start talking about power because there's a power relationship across every one of these lines. How can the state support the household with childcare centers? For example, how can the market and the commons, you can have platform cooperativism,. So you can have a commons platform and then people can run small market-based enterprises on that commons. This kind of base donut is the embedded economy map - it's a real tribute to Hermann Daley.

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