Mike Erre joins Phil and Skye to discuss a New York Times column by David Brooks. He says America's divisions will only heal when we abandon shallow labels and war metaphors, and instead see one another as fellow pilgrims on a journey. America's Catholic bishops issue a stern rebuke of the Trump administration's dehumanizing rhetoric and policies, which makes Phil wonder why evangelical leaders can't do the same. Then, Skye talks to Kentucky's Democratic governor, Andy Beshear, about why he's so popular in a state that Donald Trump won by 30 points, and how his party can begin to narrow the "God gap" with voters. Also this week—an A.I. vacuum cleaner has an existential crisis.

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6:20 - AI Roomba Has a Breakdown

16:08- David Brooks on Pilgrimage and Pluralism

45:50 - Catholic Bishops Critical on Immigration Law

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52:21 - Interview

54:48 - What Went Wrong with Democrats?

1:03:42 - Fire with Fire Approach?

1:09:06 - Democrat's Aversion to Religious Language

1:13:30 - Pro-Life Democrats?

1:21:51 - How Will Democrats Change?

1:25:32 - End Credits

Links Mentioned in News Segment:

Roomba Butter Breakdown:

https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/llm-robot-vacuum-existential-crisis

David Brooks Article on Pluralism:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/13/opinion/christian-nationalism.html

Catholic Bishops on Trump's Immigration Policies:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/12/us/bishops-trump-immigration.html

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