i think it's why, one of the themes ind untamed, which i'm obsessed with lately, was this idea of how do we create communities of human beings that are that have less of a pack mentality? I mean, that tribal way of thinking. We do it in our families. That was in my growing up and my taming, that was like the ultimate failure. And you get the feeling that it is so much work, but is so worth it. And is also absolutely not the norm.

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